Don’t marry a Proverbs 31 woman?

Posted: June 26, 2010 in Commentary, For brothers, For sisters, Other people's writing

In this essay, blogger “Elusive Wapiti” comments about “traditional” understandings that may be rooted more in the Industrial Revolution than in Christian Orthodoxy. Don’t take offense at his title; he’s just trying to make you think about “Churchy” ideas that are not always consistent with what scripture commands.

Take what you can and will from this. There is a particular kind of Protestant church that is always hankering back to the “good old days” without contemplating deeply enough what was so good about them; and we rarely seem them doing things like living like the Amish. This may manifest in them discouraging a woman from working outside the home, even if she has no children; or in pressuring young men to get on the College/Student Debt hamster wheel when that may not be the best rational choice for their personal situation.

  1. a christian says:

    But in reading one of your champions, good old Vox, women are not to have a say (no Voting rights remember? and he certainly encourages men not to listen to their wives because they don’t even know what they want) and the home is exactly where he would want his woman, after all, they are not to be trusted with any valid and reasonable thoughts. (He certainly does not trust them as he has said numerous times in his blog)

    In fact, Vox pretty much blames every evil today to women who, both married and unmarried, choose to work. If they work outside the home, they are taking jobs away from men and ruin the industries they go into (especially sciences and engineering) because, of course, they don’t know what they are doing and, of course, feminize everything…

    So we have Vox on the one hand telling men that women who dare to work or want careers outside the home are the reason for the collapse of western society but now we have someone else saying no they should….make up your minds men…

  2. singlextianman says:

    I’ve had my spats with Vox; at one time one of the ilk commenting “Gee, Vox, when is your ass going to grow back?” or words to that effect. He’s not my champion. Perhaps you think that Evangelical heroes like Hal Lindsey or Tim LaHaye represent the best we have to offer in the “critical thinking” department?

    The effects of drastic and uncontrolled Keynesian economics, IMHO, has more to do with unfavorable changes in the workplace viz. men.

    IMHO, you overstate Vox’s position; but I am indifferent to this.

    Viz. the posting, I say it is still worth your while. I’ve met plenty of both single and married Christian women who would think, contra EW’s two points, that the sole contribution of a man is his paycheck, and while they may talk a good game about looking for spiritual leadership in the home; they are really looking for is a fashion accessory or a “tame” Christian man who doesn’t have much in the way of identity or needs of his own.

  3. a christian says:

    I certainly don’t mind the post concerning the Proverbs 31. I read it and don’t find much fault with it (although the associated comments are somewhat…lacking) . I wish the church, however, would make up their minds…

    Oh, I wouldn’t say I’m overstating the case about Vox (I will gladly admit to overstating your championing him…a case of guilt by association and certainly willing to offer apologies). A more bitter, whiny, misogynistic person can hardly be found. I’ve been reading through his posts and the vast majority show an overwhelming misogynistic tone, not to mention objectifying women (and men too, with the simplistic classification system). The irony, however, is that he proclaims to be a Christian and yet his worldview on genders is pretty much a secular textbook on evolutionary philosophy, what with the game taken straight from evolutionary biology.

    But then again, what do I know, I’m just a woman…

  4. singlextianman says:

    Yes, a lot of people “claim” to be believers, and they “are” in fact believers, despite signing on to, say, slavery, misogyny, misandry, “biblical dating” or what – have – you. They “are” believers.

  5. a christian says:

    That’s of course a matter of the heart that I certainly can’t judge, but it’s a sad commentary that his statements on the web make Christians look bad.

    IMHO he has done damage to the church and is a bad testimony to Christian thinking and Christian behavior.

    I won’t deny him to be a believer (he just seems to be a rather immature one), but similar to the likes of ICR and Kent Hovind and Ken HAm, they do damage.

  6. LadyElaine says:

    honestly, I am at a point in my life right now where I just don’t care. It seems that you’re screwed either way. If have any professional aspirations at all and you’re single, you’d better not voice them in church, or you’ll quickly be called a careerist feminazi.

    I used to want those things: a husband, children. Now, I’m pretty much at the point where I’m starting to think that actually getting involved, marrying, and helping to enrich and share life with someone in the covenant of marriage is just plain unrealistic, especially in Christian circles. (And before some of you protest that I”m probably ignoring some great guys in Church who may not look like some Hollywood hearthrob, you’re dead wrong. The Christian guys who are single are just not attracted to me and are the ones who abound with the emotionally knife-twisting comments like, “You’re going to be a great wife to someone one day.” “You’re a great sister.”

    A man is not a sperm donor or a wallet. But is it also possible to recognize that for every woman who (wrongly) looks to a man for security and stability, there are women who taking care of business out of both wisdom and necessity, not because they’re waiting to be rescued. And no, because a woman does those things, doesn’t mean that she doesn’t need men or is automatically giving off that vibe by her efficiency or her self-determination.

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